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Make Live Updates Easy

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The infrastructure is there for Live updates and it works with "zypper dup" but there are many manual steps. This is too complicated, users need first to google for the details before using it.

We need an easy way to update from 11.2 to Factory, from 11.2 to 11.3 and from Factory to 11.3. Easy means: A single command line that does by default the update from 11.2 to 11.3 and offers the others as well.



icons/user_comment.png D. M. wrote: (8 years ago)

This is already implemented.

The product definition and release package have a mechanism which, after upgrading the definition via a normal update, the defnition can tell which are the possible upgrade paths (11.x+1, Factory) and whether they should be announced to the user or not.

The PackageKit ZYpp backend reads this upgrade paths and notifies the user via the desktop using the PackageKit distupgrade-available signal. If the user clicks to continue, a custom distro action can be started, in this case, we start YaST wagon, which is a module which first presents the user all available upgrade paths, or allows to enter a custom repository, then updates the stack and itself and then performs the dup algorithm.

This infrastructure has not been tested because it needs some coordination overhead.

icons/user_comment.png M. L. wrote: (8 years ago)

Andreas, is that what Duncan describes sufficient for you?

icons/user_comment.png A. J. wrote: (8 years ago)

This would mean an upgrade offer for everybody that currently runs 11.1/11.2 to the next version triggered by a patch from our side, correct?

icons/user_comment.png D. M. wrote: (8 years ago)

Yes. A patch to the update stack may be required first, as I said, the feature has not been tested.

icons/user_comment.png V. O. wrote: (8 years ago)

As a Linux newbie, I would like an upgrade path from openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 that is simple to implement. Duncan's suggestion "This is already implemented ...." is not understandable by me and I just want to use my computer for w/processing, s/sheets, Youtube, emails, picture albums, etc (you get the idea). I dont want to have to learn convoluted command line acrobatics, strange acronyms, "dependency problems", repositories, etc. Please dont tell me to go forth and multiply with Windows, you Linux supergeeks - most distro's have come a long way to make a computer with Linux useable to ordinary mortals. Wonderful one click install beats m/soft offerings hands down. A one click upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2 would be heaven!

icons/user_comment.png D. M. wrote: (8 years ago)

Excuse me, but you either don't understand the problem or have trouble to read, or both.

First, I was describing a friendly "bubble" that tells you that your distro has a new release and invites you to click it. If you click you are presented a wizard which after some "Next" steps upgrades your distro. This is not far from One Click Install. You were confused because I was explaining Andreas how the infrastructure works. But you should not make noise in a productivity tool if you are not sure you are contributing with relevant information.

The current One-Click can't be used in a distribution upgrade, for a simple reason. The update operation is non-destructive, but the distribution version jump is. So the user has to deal with dependency decisions anyway. For simple cases where the user has the 11.1 repos and want to jump to 11.2, wagon wizard will probably not show any conflict, because coolo can test those upgrades before releasing the newest.

However, your "youtube email picture album" innocent user sometimes is not that innocent and has 45 development and unstable repositories added which make the solver unable to upgrade without removing some packages. Those decisions need to be asked explicitly.

I think using the PackageKit applet as a notification, and then using Wagon as a wizard, can provide a close to few clicks experience.

What I think it also may be interesting is to upgrade the one-click-install description to allows dist-upgrades against a repository in the description. The handler could call wagon (or use it somehow) if possible. Or just reuse its modules. This would also solve the problem of upgrading KDE from a web link. Adding Benji as Technical contact.

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