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return to having no default desktop environment

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openSUSE-11.3
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Description

The recent decision that openSUSE needs a default desktop environment must be reverted.

  • This decision has lead to frictions between the openSUSE sub-communities of GNOME and KDE users which might ultimately result in a drain of supporters of one of these sub-communities to a different distribution.
  • A default choice during installation gives the wrong impression that even now openSUSE chiefly supports the defaulted desktop environment while the other one is to be used 'at one's own risk'
  • This decision has acutely affected openSUSE's position as the only distribution which credibly supports both desktop environment
  • The gains to be had through a 'default desktop environment' are minor to zero, the potential loss and damage to community caused by it is catastrophic

Discussion


icons/user_comment.png S. . wrote: (8 years ago)

I fully support this scenario.

But a minority of community memebrs assuming that their biased opinion is what is liked by the user is wrong. The current decision to have KDE as default will drive away a lot of distro-neutral Gnome people from giving away openSUSE DVDs for linux talks. etc.

However, enough time has been wasted in all these discussions that I feel no use in prolonging this thread any further, if the decision is immutable.

icons/user_comment.png D. H. wrote: (8 years ago)

The default benefits the new users, and doesn't harm anyone else.  Why should this decision be revisited?

icons/user_comment.png C. J. wrote: (8 years ago)

Note that this is a request for 11.3, not for 11.2 which has been decided to default to KDE.

So, I don't understand that this feature request should be rejected.

icons/user_comment.png T. J. wrote: (8 years ago)

The choises are:

1. Credible and professional well supported KDE distro

2. Just anothet newbie Gnome distro

3. Scattered not-so-well supported blob of everything

icons/user_comment.png R. M. wrote: (8 years ago)

The best application is criteria that should be followed, not the desktop. 
I'm against  going back to "no preselection", as it is directly opposite to being helpful to new users.
 
The majority of distros that I ever installed makes this particular decision without asking user and without giving a chance to install another desktop. Why is it a problem when openSUSE goes from layout that can be perceived as yet another problem by many new users, to layout that gives some guidance? 

Besides the guidance/default is defined as what majority of openSUSE users is using, so it can change in the future without lenghty discussions. 

icons/user_comment.png j. b. wrote: (8 years ago)

we need a default, but i fully support choosing whatever DE happens to be the most popular for each release of opensuse.

icons/user_comment.png M. K. wrote: (8 years ago)

The decision to make KDE default was a democratic one. Your other request https://features.opensuse.org/307495 shows that you just hate KDE. If you realy hate KDE that much and think that Ubuntu is the poster child anyway, just go to Ubuntu.

icons/user_comment.png S. S. wrote: (8 years ago)

the only decision that was made was to preselect a radio button.  If you really want to contribute to something instead of trolling these features why don't you join the #opensuse-kde on irc and contribute their instead of with your mouth.  If you are, I'm sure they have some other things you can be better using your time with instead of telling people to leave the openSUSE community.

icons/user_comment.png R. D. wrote: (7 years ago)

Duplicates effectively another Fate request of GNOME fan, with nose put out of joint.  The default Desktop is a pre-selection and is convenient for the majority of openSUSE users.

All the software is used "at own risk", even in commerical OS environments like Windows and Mac OS X, so choosing an option implies nothing.

Pre-selecting KDE  has not harmed GNOME implementation at all, and indeed the new theme has been reviewed and widely reported.

The potential loss to community is only if one of the requester's minority wishes were successful and implemented, to the annoyance and detriment of the majority of oS users!

Last change: 7 years ago
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