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Ship more vanilla

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openSUSE-11.2
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Upstream projects such as KDE 4 often are developed with very high care for usability, design and eye candy, staffed with high skilled specialists and/or artists. openSUSE modifications against the vanilla versions sometimes do not really improve the upstream version. Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one.

The openSUSE distribution as a community project should maintain the brand of the upstream projects and not hide them from the distributions users. Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream communities and friends and partners.

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icons/user_comment.png K. F. wrote: (9 years ago)

This feature happened by error, please see #306008 and
ignore this. More details at Bug #482627

icons/user_comment.png S. B. wrote: (9 years ago)

Bug #482627 is not publicly visible.

icons/user_comment.png T. S. wrote: (9 years ago)

it's open now.

icons/user_comment.png S. B. wrote: (9 years ago)

Thanks, it seems to be totally unrevelant to the reasoning for this Fate entry except the reporter wants to say that the timeout was caused by faulty patching of KDE.

icons/user_comment.png S. B. wrote: (9 years ago)

> Moreover, these kind of modifications often kind of rebrand the projects, for example by replacing the KDE startmenu button by an openSUSE branded one.

This is done intentionally and not by mistake. Install the -branding-upstream packages instead of the -branding-openSUSE packages for upstream startmenu button, wallpaper etc.

> Also patching vanilla behaviors where not technically needed or fixing problems should be handled very carefully and only happen in good dialog with upstream.

Is this some kind of way of you to tell "you have done a bad job"?

icons/user_comment.png P. R. wrote: (9 years ago)

I think that branding is handled better in openSUSE than in any other distribution. Read more info at http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Package_Conventions/Branding

Basically you need to replace all *-branding-openSUSE package with *-branding-upstream, as Stephan has pointed out. Because all branding packages conflict with each other, it should be sufficient just to install the upstream branding and the openSUSE branding will be uninstalled.

icons/user_comment.png T. R. wrote: (8 years ago)

Except don't use KDM-branding-upstream, which results in an extremely ugly login manager that you can't change through the normal interface.

icons/user_comment.png W. S. wrote: (9 years ago)

I can understand openSUSE like to use branding to give the distribution a homogeneous image. Presently the application splash screens (gimp, openoffice, acrobat reader etc..) look the same - a box colored blue-grey.
If you are using a PC all day then it would be refreshing to have differing splash screens - which is why I, and I guess many others, install the original branding.
Perhaps openSUSE designers could give each program splash screen a different image (and colors) but include the openSUSE logo that would interesting and make for some variation.

By the way, I can't install the "branding upstream" without uninstalling yast -there seems to be some unnecessary dependency!!!

icons/user_comment.png P. R. wrote: (9 years ago)

Please create a bug-report about unnecessary dependency in the Bugzilla. That's where it should be, not here. Thanks!

icons/user_comment.png S. B. wrote: (9 years ago)

There exist bug reports about: Bug #490017 and Bug #490018

icons/user_comment.png R. D. wrote: (8 years ago)

The reason I have stuck with oS, was because of the benefits shown in 10.3, which were better integration of OOo and KDE themeing, including the KDE4 Kickoff start menu.

This "feature" request would hamper Novell/openSUSE developer's who work on GNOME, KDE & the kernel, who can introduce new features via openSUSE and then respond to user feedback, and demonstrate real usage.  That can make the difference, between acceptance of a new feature in linux kernel for example, and rejection through lack of a user base.

Thus the situation in 11.2 with branding, and options to use vanilla versions of products is ideal.

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